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[00:00:01] Speaker A: Allowing yourself to be there and practicing new ideas which you don't know exactly how to do, and practicing and practicing until you get it to a new level of a new baseline. So I love the idea that we all need to practice something new right now, and that's probably in the lines of acceptance and love and coexistence, multiculturalism and not division. Really, really accepting us as humans.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: You are listening to exploring Satir's legacy, the Virginia Satir podcast. I am your host, Michael Argumanis Hardin, and together we will embark on the journey of self discovery, empowerment and meaningful connection.
Let's dive in today. Our guest is Doctor Beth Nemish. She's a beautiful soul from all the way over in Israel. She holds a PhD in expressive art therapies from Lesley University. She is a licensed marriage and family therapist, a board certified music therapist, a certified satir transformational systemic therapist, and certified body mind psychotherapist. Beth has been working with children, adolescents, couples and families since 1999. She has researched the niche field of family music therapy from both music therapy and family therapy perspectives. She has published articles and presented the topics of family based music therapy and musical interventions with families at national and international conferences. She has been conducting workshops and trainings for family therapists and music therapists in Israel, US and Canada. Beth advocates for the integration of creative art in family therapy training and the integration of family therapy perspective in music therapy education. Her unique expertise emphasizes the innovative use of musical interventions in family therapy.
[00:02:08] Speaker C: Beth Nemesh, I am so happy to have you on the podcast today.
[00:02:13] Speaker A: Thank you. It's wonderful to be here.
[00:02:15] Speaker C: First off, I just kind of want to hear a little bit of your story.
Just tell the listeners a little bit about who you are.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: Well, I have a long history of a lot of things, but I think the most important ones are that I am an expressive art therapist and my major is in music.
So I'm a music therapist and then I am a family therapist. And I did my satir training with doctor John Benman and doctor Nitsa Broyden Miller in 2006. That was the only one time that John Banman came and was in Israel. So I was very fortunate. And since then, I am trying to combine this modality of family music therapy, which is a small niche modality within the therapies.
So this is my professional outline, I.
[00:03:21] Speaker C: Would say, well, I love what you're doing and it definitely fits within this experiential model that you, that you follow with Satir as well. And I gotta tell you that I've really enjoyed getting to know you over the last couple of years as we've been in the Satir global Wednesday groups together.
[00:03:42] Speaker A: The coffee group.
[00:03:43] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right.
So is 2006, did you say, or 2008 when you received your satir training?
[00:03:53] Speaker A: I started in 2006. I did the satir one, and later on, Nitsa came solo to Israel, and then she continued the next stages. And, yeah, I think. I'm not sure when I graduated. I think it took, like, two years.
[00:04:15] Speaker C: And you did get your schooling in the United States, is that correct, your higher education?
[00:04:23] Speaker A: My doctorate is in Leslie University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and then my master's degree was in Israel, and my bachelor's was in Israel. So it was a combined. A combination.
[00:04:39] Speaker C: Well, of. I'd love to hear a little bit more about what drew you to Virginia Satir's model.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: Well, after I was a music therapist for a while, working with children on the autistic spectrum, and I realized that a lot of work needs to be done with the parents and not just with the children. Although music therapy with them was wonderful, but naturally, I felt that working with parents was more important because they would be there every day, all day for the kids, and I see them usually twice a week. So I pursued studying family therapy because I was not allowed to work with the parents without having some sort of a family therapy or psychology degree that fits into that.
So I studied family therapy, and there were a lot of different models you study, and they were kind of boring and did not touch my heart.
And then we studied satir model, and I think it was just two, maybe three very short lessons. But each one of those lessons was a whole world for me. That from the first, from the start, it was like, oh, her basic beliefs is what I think. Like, she's saying what I think, what I'm thinking in beautiful words. Like, I wish I could say it as beautiful as she would. But first of all, the basic beliefs about the humanity and the experiential part, and I was drawn to them. And I think some of those that captured my heart was that people do the best they can in a situation, and parents, you know, are very much responsible for the outcome of their children. And there were a lot of those that kind of fit into my history, into my heart. And then we were talking about the, I think the metaphor of the fountain with the closed jets, and I loved the idea of metaphors, because that's how I think. I think with vision and I think with sound, and it was so perfect. It says, oh, that's beautiful. And then I think the rest was history. But I think the experiential part that fit into arts very easily. Like, it's like the one model that the expressive arts can fit like a glove. And I felt so much at home with whatever I was taught then. And right after that, John Benman came to Israel. And then.
I don't know. This is kind of a spiritual unbelievable.
I don't know. I don't believe in miracles, but it was kind of a miracle. Yeah, but it was really a timeline. This one thing brought the other, and it started in one place, and it just kept going. And I was just. I love studying. I enjoy it. I really enjoy reading and opening my mind to new stuff. And that was like home. That was my home. Like I said, oh, this is home. And when. When John came to Israel, and. And then everything I've studied before kind of fit onto this tree. Like, this was the. The main part of the. The tree was the satir model, and then everything else I've ever studied kind of fit into that. So that was my core.
[00:08:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:08:32] Speaker A: And that what drew me, really, as those two, like, her basic beliefs and her experiential and metaphors, the metaphors kind of hit, like, the pot, the self esteem pot, all those, like, visions that she would bring, like, visual context. I could kind of tap into that very easily.
[00:08:56] Speaker C: You know, one of the things that is amazing to me is, you know, when we both. We've both studied psychology and family theory, and it is really important that different theories are multicultural. They're considering other cultures. And it has been great to see how satir's model really is well accepted and is helpful around the globe.
What do you think? What do you think is most helpful about satir's model in your culture?
[00:09:28] Speaker A: Well, Israel is not very different than the United States. It only kind of 20 years behind, but it's about the same state of mind, most of it, at least, I think, in a different way. Israelis are more family oriented and clan oriented, community oriented. It's much. It's a lot of a survival issue here that you cannot. You need the other person to be able to go through what we are going, probably. So I think there's more commitment in the family and closeness, but then there is a lot of issues that come from that. And I think Virginia really addressed it very well, the multigenerational trauma that arises from the second world War and the Holocaust. And we are all survivors, actually, in Israel. We all came from different parts of the world, whether 100 years ago or whatever, and we kind of combine different cultures here. There's a lot of multicultural within Israel.
[00:10:45] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: But the common parts of this multiculturalism is community and family and support, like, wider support than we see in the United States. Like we are. Our kids don't go to college and never come back. They're always somewhere around, so it's kind of different. But I think Virginia's ideas work perfectly.
[00:11:20] Speaker C: Yeah, I find that also, but I just love hearing how it impacts other people in different parts of the world. So thank you for sharing that.
One of the things that also interests me is the parts of the model that is most important for each individual person that I get to talk to. You know how Steve Buckbee really loves the mandala, and he. And he teaches the mandala a lot, and then you have different people who are just attracted to different things. And is there a part of the model that you are really drawn to?
[00:11:56] Speaker A: Well, I think there are two.
One would be self worth, and the other would be very closely connected. Is the family of origin, the impact of the family of origin. And I think they're very connected in a way. But, you know, those two parts, for me are the basic for healing, and I work a lot with self esteem. Self worth, the part of self esteem and the impacts. The impact of the family.
[00:12:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:12:27] Speaker A: Your original patterns of behavior and coping and how we need or can or can't change some of them and what we do. So I think those are probably my two cornerstones.
[00:12:44] Speaker C: Okay, well, let me ask you about self worth. I love the self esteem maintenance toolkit, and I talk. I use that with my clients and teach them that.
But as I have studied that era, that part of Satir's model, I find that a lot of people misunderstand self esteem, and they don't connect it to self worth. It's like they think self esteem is more about feeling good and not really rooted in who they are. Talk a little bit about what your impressions of self worth and self esteem are.
[00:13:23] Speaker A: Well, there's the self. Like, there is a part of us, or you're talking about is how confident I am, maybe, but that's not self esteem or what kind of an impression I have on the outside, and that's not self esteem. So self esteem is how you actually like yourself. How do you accept yourself in your authentic self and really, basically, who you are and push aside all those criticism, my long nose, my big toes, or whatever, you know, so that we kind of pick those up along the way. Like, we are beautiful, stupid, tall or small, and we have all these preconceptions about how we should be. So I think self esteem for me is cleaning all that noise from the background and really accepting and loving who you are as a whole person. Without comparing, without the comparing mind that always is very. It brings a lot of sadness and suffering when you compare. So just the idea of not comparing, it's something not for the young or for the teenagers, because that's their life is about the comparison. But for older people, when can they stop comparing and being in the shoes.
[00:14:52] Speaker C: And just see themselves as valuable?
Not because of their behavior, not because a lack of certain skills, but just their own inherent value?
[00:15:05] Speaker A: Right. And I go back to the crib when you were born, there's nothing on the crib that says that you're not worthy or going to be none worthy. You were born worthy. And then things happen and you kind of mess up and lose and whatever. And things don't go your way and we change. And I think one of my ideas is to go back to that innocence that we are all worthy and we all have this self worth.
Basic, naturally. And going back into that, when did you learn that you're not good enough, lack something or dislike some parts. So I think self worth for me is really how you perceive yourself with kindness and compassion and love. And that's. That's my. My true self esteem comes from there. And then whatever. Yeah. Whatever other people say goes in one ear and goes through the. Out, you know, the other. And then it doesn't, um. It doesn't activate your. Your yourself.
[00:16:15] Speaker C: Right. When we have, uh, self, if we. When we know our self worth, we have great flow. We're not all clogged up. And, uh, with all those we shoulds and should nots and what. How poorly I think of myself that clogs us up. But when we're able to have, uh. Getting in contact with this immense self worth that we all have just inherent in who we are as spiritual beings, then we have great flow.
[00:16:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I believe in that. And it goes back to the fountain metaphor that we clean up all those clogged jets. And when we flow, everything is open. Then this is when you're with high self worth and high congruence and they go together.
And the way that you can perceive yourself, this wonderful fountain that really flows and is clear.
And for that we need some cleaning. We need to open up some places that are clogged.
And it's a debris from many years, many times. But I think the more important part for me, Michael, would be prevention is like I do a lot of supervision, and I do a lot of talks to parents and parent consulting, and it's about teaching them something they don't know, is how to bring up a child that has high self esteem and high self worth. And I think that if parents know that in advance, before they have babies even, what does a child need in order to succeed? To be happy, to be one that feels good about themselves. And I think it's a lot about education and knowledge in that respect. We can prevent a lot of suffering if we talk to the parents. I'm more about working with the parents and the kids. The kids are fine, like, especially if they're young. I said it's not about the kids.
It's about the parents. It's about the family. The dynamics, the messages that the parents give their children, even without knowing that that is the message. Sometimes it's not verbal, it's nonverbal, but there's a message of acceptance and not acceptance, what shoulds and coulds and would, what's right and wrong. And then you get those messages. And I think if more parents would realize their messages more, they would be able to change some of it and really allow the kids to feel good about themselves. It's not about their achievements. It's not about their grades. It's about who they are.
[00:19:12] Speaker C: Correct? Yeah.
[00:19:14] Speaker A: We are both in cultures that give worth to higher grades and achievements, and you got first in your class and whatever, and, wow, I work with so many of those.
And that's sad, because what are you accepting? Your child's achievement, but not your child.
[00:19:38] Speaker C: Right.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: So that is important.
[00:19:42] Speaker C: You also said the other. The other thing that you're really drawn to is a family of origin. Did you say?
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:19:48] Speaker C: Talk a little bit about that one.
[00:19:50] Speaker A: Well, that comes from my family of origin, basically, that I know where I grew up and how impactful and for how many years it has been really in charge of my life.
The dynamics, the behaviors, the reactivity, the red buttons that used to trigger me. And I would figure out how really not just me and my family, my parents, but my grandparents, their family, their parents, like, the multigenerational part of how we really inherit multigenerational trauma and behaviors. And that's a sad part. Like, that is something that I see, that it's easy for me to be in peace with my parents, knowing they suffered, and this is what the best they would know or would have done good meaning for whatever they did. But I think a lot of it is working with the impact of your family of origin, even if they're not alive anymore. Even the scratches and the aches and the pains are there, even if the parents and the grandparents are not alive already. But I think that is probably a huge part of our triggers, in our reactivity, in our survival stances that we use. So I think working for completion and forgiveness and, you know, just letting go of this energy that holds you in this anger or resentment or whatever was there, I think that's a very important part. And I think this goes more for older clients that come, mature clients that come and are still holding on to some of those impacts of the family of origin and that I love working with them because it's really transformative. And I do work with family music therapy there. I do a lot of musical work with there memories, long time memories are stored in music in a very accessible way that a music or song can trigger a lot of things that you've forgotten, starting from your childhood crib songs. What would you hear in your home? Would your family sing to you? What songs did you hear your family?
And then, like, intuitively we would choose, even if we forgot the song, it will come up. And once you hear it, you would trigger all those memories that are actually stored in that time of your life, in that age. So that is amazing. So you could do that with young, very young memories, and then you could do with your teenage memories, like the songs of your, your adulthood and, you know, being a teenager. So I do a lot of musical work with older clients, not the younger ones, the younger ones that try to work with the families more than with the children.
I'm really there. I will teach the family how to work with the children, and I would rather do that than just see the child once or twice a week.
[00:23:41] Speaker C: Beth, you've mentioned multi generational trauma several times now. Can I ask, I mean, I'm going to ask you a big question. If you don't have an answer, that is perfectly fine.
But right now, these are really terrible times in Israel as far as war, you know, the war going on with Gaza.
How do you imagine that future generations are going to be impacted by this time in Israel and what can be? And, you know, you have also brought up preventative work. Do you like to do preventative work? What preventative work could be done now? Because we know that generational trauma will come from these times. Right now.
[00:24:27] Speaker A: That'S a big question.
I don't have an answer, but I have ideas. I have no idea. If I had the answers, I would probably do something. I don't know. And I think a lot of people in Israel, in my situation, and therapists are in the same position.
We know it is not just a whole generation of trauma. I think it is more an existential trauma. And the trauma is different and deeper.
The roots are in our core beliefs about our right to exist, about our right to be here, about, you know, that the government is supposed to take care of the people, the army is supposed to be strong. So a lot of those basic beliefs. So I would say that there's a lot of those and there's a lot of moral trauma.
So there are different new way layers of trauma here.
And I think they more difficult part for me is that it is not a trauma that happened.
And now you can deal with. It's not Katrina, it's not an earthquake.
It's ongoing for six months with hostages, babies, kids, women, being held there in whatever, in humane, always underground. And it's not over.
And it's not just not over. We don't even know if we're at the worst part yet.
We had this Star wars exhibition this Saturday when Iranians bombed Israel with hundreds and hundreds of rockets of different kinds, missiles of. And drones and whatever, like really Star wars. And I think a lot of people were, like, always wondering, how is it going to be when that happens? Because there's a lot of fear of something that you don't know. So now we know.
Does it make it better? Huh? Not really. Because next time, you know, more countries might join in different ammunition. They would have atom bombs and whatever, you know, you can't really gear up and get ready for anything if you don't know what's coming. So you could be hysterical and build a bomb shelter that's atom proof, whatever. You could leave the country, which is a lot of people, especially those with young kids, are doing and those who are staying, I can speak for my own self, are trying to do the best they can in this miserable situation. In my small group of people I work with and know in my circle that surround me, a lot of it is volunteer work, but a lot of people are doing that, and that's what keeps us survival, you know, here and still here. But to tell you that I have an answer. I don't know if anybody has an answer. We don't know where we're going. We don't know. We don't see the light at the end of the tunnel. We are now in a situation where everything can happen. So I think this trauma is defined more like an ongoing trauma, which makes it more difficult to deal with. And then we. I feel at least that in the satir model, I don't have a lot of experience or information of how to work with continuing, you know, trauma, other than just working in the here and now in the body, in trying to really support people with whatever they need here and now. But it is more like short term trauma intervention, but it's nothing long term. It's nothing preventative.
Like, I can give people a sense of stability and really build up some resilience, but that's what I can do. But I don't know if that's good enough or that's going to work or that, you know what? I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. I don't know if those planes I hear over my head are going east or west and are mine or not mine. So, like, it's. It's complicated. It's a big question.
[00:29:33] Speaker C: Well, I, you know, and I didn't, I knew that there probably wasn't an answer. But even in hearing you talk, I can imagine that there will be generations that just don't all, don't ever really feel settled or fully safe. And part of that is because they had to live through this continuous trauma where they did, there was no security. I mean, you had no sense of, we are perfectly safe now. There's a constant. Like you said, the last time I talked to you, it was while bombings were going on and alarms were going on and you had to check your phone to see if they're coming your way. I mean, there's, there was a sense of just we are living and having to accept the fact that we're living in very unsafe times.
And, and still, one of the things that have impressed me the most about you is you remain there and you volunteer. You. You try to stay connected to the community so that you can provide some sense of safety. So even people who live through these moments can get to the other side and say, but even in the worst moments, there are people who are safe. The situations aren't safe, but people are safe.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Yes, that's part of it, I think, because it gives you an answer for the here and now.
But in a more complex and spiritual perspective, you need hope.
And I think many of us have lost hope, and that is devastating, because once you lose your hope, your ability to believe that there is a solution, and you're going to come out alive on the other side of the solution, then if you don't have that, then it's almost unbearable to stay here. And I think a lot of people are going through those thoughts. Maybe not the actions, but the idea that if something hell, all hell breaks throughout in whatever's happening.
I need a passport, I need to know where my suitcase is. I need to know. I have to have money.
I need to have my car with gas so I can get somewhere. Like, that's crazy, because when you go to sleep, you make sure that you know where your shoes are. Really? And I'm supposed to be a normal person, an average person, so. But. And that's how I go to sleep. I make sure that I have everything I need if I need to leave right now without any, you know, warning.
[00:32:31] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:32:32] Speaker A: And that is terrible. And we have children here and grandchildren here and family members here, and what are we doing here? Like, sometimes I ask myself the same question, and I said, do we have a different place? Like, where is our home? Wasn't Israel the biblical country of the Jews? Like, when was it changed? You know, and, Michael, I asked people, I was in the United States and Mexico right now, and I was in Germany for a while. I had this work thing going around. And I asked people, they were telling me, talking about the conflict, and I said, okay, you know when they say, from the river to the sea, do you know what they mean? What? You know, you can chant it from day to day, but what river and what sea? That was my question. What river are they talking about and what sea they're talking about? And 99% of the people have no idea.
And then I asked, so you know what the meaning is from the river to the sea? And they say, actually, no, but it seems bright.
Okay. That means that all Jews need to go swimming in the ocean, because from the rivers to the seas, from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea, and that's exactly where Israel is. The only Israel there is. The one and only.
And so if you're giving this to someone else because you think they deserve it, then what do you want from us?
And then they. Oh, I didn't know that. Didn't have a place of their own. Isn't that the place where you took over? Or was their home or their Palestine? Well, there wasn't. Palestine was never established.
And, you know, people are trying to put out fake information.
It's the new new. The new new media thing.
[00:34:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: All this new information, fake information. And I think people should be educated.
People should know. At least if you haven't, you know, if you have an idea of what you believe in, at least you would have it based on facts. And you could be against me. And you could think differently. That's fine. But we need to get the facts right and then we can negotiate.
But we can't negotiate when we have two sets of facts that don't match.
So that's where we are right now, within Israel. Within Israel and our allies and between Israel and the Palestinians. And I don't know where we're going with it. It's sad.
I don't know where I'm going with it. At least that that would be 100% true. I don't know. I don't know where I'm going to be tomorrow. I'm seriously considering not being here. But am I able to do that? I'm not sure, but it's always on the mind.
[00:35:32] Speaker C: Of course. I can't imagine how it couldn't be.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: Right.
[00:35:37] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, I.
[00:35:39] Speaker A: Until then, I try to do my best and spread good energy, use arts as much as I can to get people connected to themselves, to others, to the community.
This is what I can do.
[00:35:58] Speaker C: Well, I've always appreciated your wonderful, kind spirit. And. And even though surely there's a temptation to lose all hope, you still have a sense to me when I speak to you. There's still a sense of hope, of.
There's something there, a spirit of hope that I. That probably is unexplainable.
[00:36:24] Speaker A: You cannot extinguish it. Even if it's really small, it's still burning there.
And I think that's the one reason we're still here. And because we have this little belief that something needs to happen and be good, but maybe we are wrong and, you know, that's the other side of the equation.
So.
Difficult times.
[00:36:49] Speaker C: Well, it's always.
I'm so thankful that we have a friendship. And in this time where there is a lot of fake information, I love that I can talk to somebody who's actually there, and I can see it in your heart that you want good information to get out.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: I can speak to anybody about it. I'm open for that. But, you know, hatred is not for me. Like, I can't do hatred. I can't hate anybody.
But, you know, I think that comes from the satir, really, from the satir essence of kindness and the buddhist part of me that still meditates and hopes for loving kindness for everybody.
But it's difficult. It's difficult, especially when you have family members in the army and you have friends that are hurt and you have communities that are displaced and.
Yeah, not knowing where we're going is a big issue here. So unless there is somebody that comes with a lot of, I don't know, guts and common sense and a big heart.
I don't know.
I really don't know. I wish you would give me an answer. I always say, I wish somebody would just come and give me an answer. Isn't that nice and easy? But I don't have one.
[00:38:22] Speaker C: Well, it does seem like you're being an answer, even if it's not the whole answer. The kindness that your ability to not spread hate out of all this, those are answers to these really, really difficult times. And I thank you that your spirit is being able to do that.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Thank you for saying that.
[00:38:44] Speaker C: One of the things also that I like to do when we finish up a podcast is let the person that I'm interviewing kind of give wisdom to the listeners, because there's a lot of listeners right now that maybe what you have to say is exactly what they need to hear. So if you want to share any kind of wisdom for the listener, I would love to give you this platform to be able to do that.
[00:39:12] Speaker A: I think that maybe in your darkest, hardest time of life, you should be able to be there and accept that part. Even though it's really hard, we try to push that away, but being there in the stillness and acceptance and just being able to feel it fully will bring some wisdom.
And I think a lot of us are trying to avoid those hard feelings, run away from them, make things better.
And I think I've learned from my own experience that the best way to grow out of the broken parts is to be there until it is the right time for healing.
And I remember a lot of voices in my past saying, oh, you have to get up. You have to do something. You have to, you know, I said, I don't have to anything.
I listen to me. I listen to my body. And I know I can't explain why, but I know I need to stay here at this moment. And when the time is right, I will know it.
And I think this is probably something I've learned from my broken places and broken pieces, that they mend better and they heal better in their own time. So give yourself time, patience, kindness, to be in those very painful places without fear, believing that, like, everything else is changing, everything changes, nothing stays the same. This, too, will change.
And it just needs to breathe in all that really dark, you know, hard feelings and just let go of that freedom. Just free it in a more positive way.
Just try to put it in and just free it, breathe it out cleaner.
I don't know, with more compassion to yourself first and then to others and then to the world.
And time, time heals, doesn't get rid of the pain, but it puts it in a place where you can look at it and really keep living with it. It's part of you. We're always going to have this pain. It's never going to change.
But the idea that it doesn't control us.
And for that to happen, you have to heal from the inside out, not from the outside in.
And that takes time. That takes being in the aquaculture, being in the shitness for as long as it takes. Breathe it in, let it go, let yourself process, and just. I think what's helpful is not to be alone.
This is our israeli community thing. Family clans, don't be alone.
Call somebody, be with someone, talk to someone, go to your therapist. It doesn't matter.
Don't be alone.
That's very important.
[00:43:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that's excellent.
Your, your friends over here in the States, is there anything that we can be doing other than just praying for you guys as you are living through these times?
[00:43:17] Speaker A: I think you're going through bad times yourselves.
You have your bozo the clown show and whatever. I can't figure out who's against who there, but it doesn't seem like such good times in the US right now. So I would pray for you to find your own way and heal and find a good path, clarity and healthy for everybody and for us. Other than praying, I think it's just some words that you're sending us. The kindness, the message.
I don't need more than that. I just need to know there is somebody out there that really can think about me and give and really put those words out there.
We're with you. We're not alone. And I think that's all we can do right now. We don't have anything else here that we actually need.
Prayers, hope for peace, find the right leadership that can really bring the two, two sides together. From both sides.
[00:44:28] Speaker C: Yeah.
Yeah. When Satira would often talk about peace within, peace between and peace among, these times would be sad for her because there a lot of people are struggling to have peace within right now. And definitely there's people that are struggling to have peace between and are certainly, there's communities that are. And not having peace among that is what we should all be working on. And I think that's really wise. You're right. I think everywhere in the world, all of us are going through our own traumas. They may not all be bombs, physical bombs, but there are psychological bombs being thrown. Definitely.
[00:45:12] Speaker A: Yes. I think this world is going to tremendous, I don't know, shake of energy.
Something needs to shift, probably will shift, and we just need to be here long enough to enjoy it.
[00:45:32] Speaker C: Yes, this is the chaos. Hopefully we can experience the transformation.
[00:45:37] Speaker A: Right? And I remember what she said about the chaos.
It's about really allowing yourself to be there and practicing new ideas which you don't know exactly how to do, and practicing and practicing until you get it to a new level of a new baseline. So I love the idea that we all need to practice something new right now, and that's probably in the lines of acceptance and love and coexistence, multiculturalism and not division. Really, really accepting us as humans.
[00:46:26] Speaker C: Beth, thank you so very much for joining me in this podcast today. It was a blessing to hear your insights on Satir, but it was also just a blessing to hear your heart and all that's going on in Israel.
[00:46:37] Speaker A: Thank you, Michael. It's been an pleasure. And it went by really fast.
It was even easier than what I thought.
I really appreciate the opportunity that I've had to talk to you, and I really hope to see you more.
[00:47:01] Speaker B: As we conclude this episode of the Virginia Satir podcast, I want to leave you with a reminder that the journey of self discovery and transformation is ongoing.
Virginia Satir's wisdom continues to inspire us to nurture healthier relationships, foster open communication, and embrace personal growth. Remember, you hold the power to create positive change in your life and the lives of those around you. Well, that's it for today's episode.
[00:47:28] Speaker C: See you next week.
[00:47:29] Speaker B: Thanks for listening to the Virginia Satyr podcast. Be sure to, like, subscribe and give us a review wherever you listen to the podcast and share this with a friend. Also, for more information on Virginia Satir, you can go to satirglobal.com or liveconnectedtherapy.com. Until next time, be kind to yourself and to others. You are a miracle.
